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Title: RE: MIP-QOS MIP QoS Mailing List is Active = Now
 
Phil,=20
 
Micro=20 mobility introduces a kind of hierarchy in a domain
Some=20 well known protocols are Hawaii, Cellular IP, Hierarchical Mobile IP=20
 
The=20 basic idea (with IPv4) is that you move within the hierarchy.=20
Your=20 COA (Care of Address)  is the COA of an agent at the top of = the=20 hierarchy so that you always keep the same COA as long as you stay in = the=20 domain.
Moreover, signalling is done only locally (you need not tell = your HA you=20 are moving when you roam within the hierarchy since your COA remains = unchanged).=20 There is only a need to refresh the binding lifetime regularly.=20
 
I hope=20 this answers the question
 
Gwendal

-------Gwendal LE GRAND-------
mailto:Gwendal.Le-Grand@lip6.fr<= /A> tel:=20 +33 (0) 1 44 27 75 12
http://www-rp.lip6.fr/~legrand =20 fax: +33 (0) 1 44 27 74 95
Universite Pierre et Marie Curie, = Laboratoire=20 LIP6-CNRS, Bureau C646
8 Rue du Capitaine Scott, 75015 Paris,=20 France

-----Message d'origine-----
De :=20 owner-mip-qos@research.nokia.com=20 [mailto:owner-mip-qos@research.nokia.com]De la part de ext Phil = Roberts
Envoy=E9 : mercredi 18 avril 2001=20 18:00
=C0 : = 'mip-qos@research.nokia.com'
Objet :=20 RE: [MIP-QOS] RE: MIP-QOS MIP QoS Mailing List is Active=20 Now

 
-----Original Message-----
From: ext Gwendal Le = Grand=20 [mailto:Gwendal.Le-Grand@lip6.fr]
Sent: Wednesday, April = 18, 2001=20 5:27 AM
To: mip-qos@research.nokia.com
Subject: = RE:=20 [MIP-QOS] RE: MIP-QOS MIP QoS Mailing List is Active=20 Now

Hello, =

Here are some = comments on the=20 requirements :

2> I believe = this can be=20 accomplished with micro mobility protocols which hide the = mobility to=20 the home network. About the delay to establish the new QoS path, my = feeling=20 is that it can be done before the IP handoff by some sort of = predictive=20 reservation scheme (which would be relatively easy to set up in a = micro=20 mobility domain). The problem here lies when the mobile moves = between=20 two micro mobility domains. The QOS path  may take more time to = be set=20 up but once again some predictive path could be determined in = advance.=20

Using micro = mobility has many=20 advantages one of which is that  the qos path is not = changed in the=20 core (which can then easily use Diffserv since the path is not = highly=20 dynamic) when you move within a domain. In the domain itself, it = seems=20 feasible to maintain more states and therefore deal with a = higher=20 handoff rate.  
[Phil Roberts] 

Could = you clarify=20 what you mean = by micromobility? 

4> Micro = mobility also=20 answers the scalibility problem. Maybe the micro mobility domain can = be=20 handled with a Diffserv mechanism but i believe the cells themselves = should=20 maintain more states. This comes to the conclusion that you can use = Diffserv=20 on the wired part of the network (micro mobility + core) but = probably not on=20 the wireless link.

6> I don't = understand=20 this. Using the mobile's home address is not fine ? =

7> More = protection could=20 be provided if the medium has a a high error rate. In IEEE 802.11, = many=20 transmission rates (with a more or less robust code -- high rate is = less=20 robust of course) are used according to the link's quality. Is this = what is=20 meant in this requirement ? What media should be considered ?=20

8> Is two way = really an=20 issue ?  Maybe for the ACKs ? RSVP deals with duplex links as 2 = simplex=20 links.

9> = Same comment as=20 8>

14> I believe = this depends=20 on whether we talk about IPv4 or IPv6. It seems to me that the = solution is=20 not the same in both cases. When talking about IPV4/IPV6 being dealt = with=20 seperately, i think the principles should be the same (esp. if route = optimization is a requirement). However, IPv6 has some specific=20 functionnalities which we should take advantage of. =

Gwendal LE=20 GRAND

 

-------Gwendal LE GRAND-------
mailto:Gwendal.Le-Grand@lip6.fr<= /A>=20 tel: +33 (0) 1 44 27 75 12
http://www-rp.lip6.fr/~legrand =20 fax: +33 (0) 1 44 27 74 95
Universite Pierre et Marie Curie, = Laboratoire=20 LIP6-CNRS, Bureau C646
8 Rue du Capitaine Scott, 75015 Paris,=20 France

Requirements:
------------=20
1>
The solution = should provide=20 the simultaneous operation of location privacy and route = optimization as=20 dog leg routing can increase unecessary delay - affect QoS. A = person using=20 a mobile node should not have to sacrifice one for the = other.

2>
The signaling = should be as=20 fast as possible. Waiting on the dynamic dog-leg establishment of = a=20 security associations to authenticate and authorize a binding and=20 reservation are occuring is probably not an option.

3>
If at all = possible the=20 solution should leverage any existing security associations that = exist and=20 are utilized in networks today in order to speed up the binding = and=20 reservation.

4>
The solution = should be as=20 scalable as possible. Any effort to reduce the amount to signaling = and=20 processing through core edge and intermediary routers should be = made.=20 Localization of proxy functions into aggregates and hierarchical=20 topologies at the edge should be utilized to improve the=20 scalability.

5>
The solution = should be as=20 stateless as possible. States should only be kept at the edge or=20 pertaining to aggregatations.

6>
The solution = should not=20 require an implementation to key any logical data structures (FIB, = RIB,=20 PIB, BC, SIB, etc..) using the source IP address of an MN as this = will=20 change.

7>
This is really a = wireless=20 requirement:
In order to provide for = unequal=20 protection of media streams on wireless link layers, the signaling = should=20 be able to convey the actual media types used as part of the flows = being=20 reserved.

8>
The solution = should allow=20 for both one way and two way reservation when asymmetric routing = is not an=20 issue i.e. a point to point link on the first hop.

9>
The solution = should work=20 with asymmetric routes.

10>
The solution = should provide=20 for proxy functions of the signaling with "older" solutions for = backward=20 compatibility and when the signaling is considered too verbose for = a=20 specific link layer.

11>
The solution = should provide=20 for fast recovery mechanisms when intermidary nodes fail. =

12>
A method must = be provided=20 to encrypt the signaling as it passes to the affected nodes of the = network.

13>
A method must = be provided=20 to authenticate the credentials of the signaling entities. =

14>
It should be = possible to=20 send an application packet along with the signaling.

15>
Authorization = and=20 Accounting should be treated as separate, decoupled back-end=20 processes.

Questions to discuss:
--------------------

1>
Should the = signaling=20 solution be the same for IPv4 as for IPv6?

2>
What = assumptions, if any,=20 can be made about pre-existing security associations between the = MN with=20 its visited and home domains can be made?

3>
What = assumptions, if any,=20 can be made about any pre-existing SAs between a CN and it's = visited and=20 home domains can be made?

Hope this helps,
Glenn =